what are the two fuel lines to honda 50 ob carberaters
| Author | Topic: Honda xc Reputation |
| boatdryver |  posted 01-28-2006 09:28 AM ET (United states of america)  I'd be interested in hearing of experience with Honda xc-HP outboard motors, which people have complained about being equipped with carburetors. What have been owners' experiences with the reliability, longevity, and availability of qualified service people for Honda 90-HP outboard motors? Having carburetors, practice these not require an expensive estimator chip which may fail? Jim |
| JustinAndersen | posted 01-28-2006 11:27 AM ET (US) My 90 Honda was a dealer's demo motor when I bought it along with a new Montauk in September of 2000. It was estimated to take roughly 100 hours on it and so, and I have put probably another 1,000 hours with admittedly no problems. I traded upward from a xiii Sport with a 2-stroke Mercury 40, and I was blown away by the Honda compared to the Mercury. Even with a much bigger boat, the fuel economy, range, and quietness were mind-blowing. Only a lot of that is simply four-stroke vs. two-stroke and not just a Honda characteristic. That existence said, the dealer/service network (or lack thereof) has e'er been a concern for me, and equally the motor gets older I'm getting more nervous. The marina on every little lake volition service either Mercury or Johnson/Evinrude, simply if your Honda (or Suzuki, Yamaha) quits, you could be putting your boat on a trailer and driving for an hour or so. If information technology weren't for Honda's legendary reliability, I would be seriously because a new motor at this point. When I purchased it the number of four-stroke options available was lower than now. I went with Honda equally I've always had great luck with their motors (bikes, pumps, pressure level washers, lawnmowers, etc.) just if I were to buy a four-stroke now I would seriously consider the other brands. I always try to purchase "North American" if I can. I sit in the centre of the carburetor debate. On ane hand you're correct, you don't have the complicated electronics that tin fail and cost you a lot of money on repairs. Further, a carburetor motor is that much more simple, which ways it's that much more like shooting fish in a barrel to prepare by a klutz like me. On the other paw, motors with electronic fuel injection are more than efficient, which translates into a better horsepower to weight ratio, ameliorate fuel consumption, etc. To summarize, my Honda has been a great motor. Entirely reliable, placidity and polish. Just if I were to buy a new 90 now I'd really be looking at those depression-horsepower Verado motors [the smallest Verado is 135-HP] or jump up to Mercury 115 EFI which is the same block (thus same weight) as the 90. |
| boatdryver | posted 01-28-2006 12:02 PM ET (The states) Thanks for that detailed reply. Any more input out in that location in Whaler land? Jim |
| high sierra | posted 01-28-2006 02:00 PM ET (US) boatdryver, Honda's are first-class products. Well made, quiet, reliable and tough. If it was a choice between a fuel-injection Honda and a carburetor model, I would take the fuel-injection model for sure. The electronics these days are much more than trouble free than carburetors. But if the motor was a great purchase, and with carburetors, and I liked it, I wouldn't hesitate to get it. high sierra |
| Perry | posted 01-28-2006 03:47 PM ET (US) Honda has been making the BF90 for x years now and I see many of them on commercial fishing boats here. Some have over 5000 hours on them. I owned one for years that ran great and never had any problems. Not bad fuel economic system and very reliable. Simple pattern from the Honda Civic and the BF90 had no reckoner (ECM). I was also able to pull start it with a expressionless battery. |
| cwilcox | posted 01-28-2006 05:34 PM ET (US) I had two on the dorsum of a workboat on a breakwater project in Alaska. We never had any maintenance problems and consequently didn't even look under the cowlings. Nosotros may have changed the oil in one case in the 2 season span nosotros used them. The only time it would give u.s. the alarm overheat signal is when we plugged upwards the intake with kelp. I pushed our 140' clomp all over the identify with those engines. I ever was confident running the fourteen miles to Cold Bay to pick someone up when the weather condition shut downwards the planes. 2 engines and GPS is a reassuring combination. We had a Munson 24' aluminum congenital hull that took the weight with ease. Best regards, C.Wilcox |
| skred | posted 01-29-2006 12:xi PM ET (United states) I bought my 99 Dauntless sixteen in 2003 with the original 90 Honda 4-stroke. Ran information technology extensively for a twelvemonth, and never -never - had a hitch. Super quiet, neat on fuel, and plenty of power. Ane outing nosotros covered 55+ miles - one way was pretty rough and we had to run at les than ane/2 throttle, but still, I burned nearly exactly 6.5 gallons of fuel. I was and then concerned at the halfway point of that trip that I added 1.v gallons to an apparent half-tank. When I refilled after the trip, the 1.five gallons were however at that place... Excellent motor. |
| Jim Bennett | posted 01-29-2006 06:43 PM ET (United states of america) Jim, I have previously submitted the following info on Honda 90 4s with regard to issue of lengthy storage on carburetor/engine beliefs. In addition to two Whalers at my primary residence in TN, I also have an 1997 Aquasport 175 at my townhouse in Florida which I visit infrequently. The Aquasport is powered with a 1998 Honda ninety four-stroke. The engine runs smoothly, quietly and efficiently. The in-between times of my visits to FL have been as brusk every bit two months and every bit much as 6 months. Initially I began running carburetors dry in Honda, as had always done with my 2s Merc outboards on Whalers, before storage in my FL garage. After second fourth dimension of having to accept carbs cleaned (~$500 a popular)because of clogging of fine orifices, I proceeded to read manual and apply recommended process of disconnecting fuel line from engine and draining each carb with hose. This worked OK for curt storage periods simply afterward several months storage I all the same had aforementioned problem southward of diificult starting and rough running. The final time I had carbs serviced (Feb 2005 at different dealer)mechanic told me he had recently been told at Merc training school that best way to avoid carb bug with long fourth dimension storage was to detach regular fuel tank and attach small portable tank containing 50:i oil/gas mixture (as for two stroke engines) plus gas stabilizer (StaBil) and engine on that for almost 15 minutes before storing. Since then I have been back to FL for brief visits in Sept 05 and Dec 05. Both times, in driveway with earmuffs, the engine started fine and ran smoothly on same tank of fuel. I plan to return late Feb or early Mar this year to do some angling and await engine to run unremarkably. I should mention that I practise have a practiced neighbor who occasionally enters my garage and squeezes primer bulb. Just my $.02 of info. Jim |
| LHG | posted 01-29-2006 07:09 PM ET (U.s.a.) I have been given exactly the same information as Jim, from ii dissever Mercury dealerships, regarding carbureted engines, 2 or 4 stroke, and Specially with iv-stroke carbs, whatever brand. Run STA-BIL or similar product into them and the carbs before storing, or not using for a month or so. Evidently the 4-strokes accept extremely minor orifices and clog up easily. Simply fifty-fifty for conventional two-strokes, this works and saves expensive Carb make clean-outs and repairs. I take been doing this for my carbed Merc 150, since it is often non used for a calendar month or so, and no problems at all. Engine starts instantly. Like Mercury QuickClean/Yamaha RingFree, Sta-bil is cheap insurance if you have carbs |
| jimh | posted 01-30-2006 08:57 PM ET (US) I had the chance to drive a nice REVENGE 22 with twin 90-HP Honda engines. I found the motors to be very quiet at idle. They had very smooth ability and when running produced a soft humming sound, much like electric motors. This was somewhat unnerving, equally I was more than accustomed to the loud report of a two-stroke carburetor classic outboard. I suppose in time yous could get used to this. |
| boatdryver | posted 01-30-2006 09:11 PM ET (Us) Yes, I could get used to that pretty chop-chop Jim |
| megawhaler | posted 02-01-2006 xi:17 PM ET (U.s.a.) JimB & LHG, I'll add a well deserved pat on the dorsum for Honda! I've endemic Merc's, OMC'due south and Yamaha's both Old schoolhouse and newer 2000/2003 models. 25-150hp'south. They have all come a long way, although I take to say that the Honda has been my favorite by far. The virtually silent idle..some times I accept to wait back, plough the motor to one side and make certain its peeing water from the teltale because I cant hear the motor running. Other times the cooling splash can be herd over the sound of the motor. Strong, solid torque. INCREDIBLE fuel consumption, quite fifty-fifty at WOT, Great speed! Never skips a beat. Never a sputter. Starts like the Honda Borough in your driveway....fifty-fifty sounds similar. Definitly the Cadillac of Outboards. (of course the jury is due back before long on the Etec and Verado) HOWEVER, (and this withal hasn't changed my stance one bit) I did take a Carb problem.....but it was due to a STUPID, beyond rookie fault on my function that I knew was STUPID at the fourth dimension, but did it anyhow. I stored the motor at the terminate of a late flavor without doing a complete winterization. ( I live on Cape Cod) To make matters worse, information technology was stored for 2 years....To make things fifty-fifty WORSE, apparently the fuel tanks had taken on quite a scrap of water before pulling the boat. To make a short story long, I stored the carbs with Salt h2o in the carbs...and the bulbs Full of salt water. These carbs plough out to have the SMALLEST!!!orifices (sp) of whatsoever carb I've ever seen. $400each to replace??...YEA not without a fight. I removed, Boiled them on my Moms stove and replaced 3 times in a row....No matter how clean they seemed, ALWAYS another bit of salt would float to the peak of *Moms Lobster Pot* ....FINALLY I recollect I've got all the salt out. Runs like a Cadillac once once more! Thanks, |
| jimh | posted 02-01-2006 eleven:20 PM ET (United states) How does the lobster taste? |
| PeteB88 | posted 02-01-2006 11:31 PM ET (U.s.) I accept heard but never definitively that Honda outboards are either Civic or Accord engines. If that is truthful, and I call back it is, no wonder they are awesome. I had a friend who was a GM engineer and told me some years ago that Honda perfected their engines and vehicles directly as a result of their total commitment to participation in Forumla One auto racing. I accept had two Accords and a bunch of Toyotas. The 87 was really my favorite 4 cyl with 5 speed. 35 - 37 MPG on a vii,000 mile road trip Midwest to Mtn states, Cali, OR, WA, Idaho, Wyo, CO, UT summer, four full sizers and a trunk packed westward/ camping gear, coolers and clothes. If I repower I volition strongly consider Honda but worry about weight. Need would be (maybe) for the 13 anytime and time to come Montauk. If they are the motorcar engines modified for marine I sympathize them much better than I do regular outboards which are somewhat mysterious to me - except my old school johnsons. Onward. |
| Perry | posted 02-02-2006 12:33 AM ET (US) The BF75 and BF90 are based on the 1.6 liter motor from the Honda Civic and the BF135 and BF150 are based on the two.4 liter motor in the Honda Accordance. |
| bobgilsp | posted 02-02-2006 03:42 PM ET (United states) Mark- I believe my Honda xc has block carb orifices. I'd like to remove them & attempt some cleaning similar to yours during the winter season, simply haven't figured out how to remove that plastic air silencer. The top & lesser bolts come out hands with a 10mm wrench. In that location seems to be a 3rd commodities on the inboard side that I tin't get to with a wrench. Should I instead endeavour to remove the carbs' bolts up at the intake area about the head? Bob |
| megawhaler | posted 02-04-2006 10:43 AM ET (US) Jimh: The Lobsta still tastes wicked adept! PeteB88: Yes, as Perry said, all of the Outboards are based on the Car motors. I'm not kidding. Rev one up in neutral some time....sounds like a civic. |
| megawhaler | posted 02-04-2006 11:01 AM ET (US) bobgilsp, What a PAIN aye! Mine only has 2. Acme and bottom. (thats where the easy office ends) The beginning winterization I did I broke that cover in two..y'all can kind of meet that information technology was made in 2 pieces and fused together. I can now tear those carbs downward and off like a Nascar Pit crew....but I did it almost 5 times in a ii month catamenia. HOWEVER in that location is notwithstanding at least 2 bolts/studs on the inside between the carbs and the manifold that will stump me every time. What i figure they did at the factory was bolted the carbs to the manifold on a Bench...then bolted them as a set up onto the cake! !@#$%^ Im sure my 50hp looks a little different, but I understand what you are going thru. Just keep telling yourself that there has to be a tool out in that location to become in there with....something to keep in mind, at least 2 of my bolts Dont come all the way out. They unthread from the block...and then stay in ear of the carb and yous remove the carb with the stud still hanging. (hope i explained that ok) Now that I look back....your nonetheless left at stride One...removing the plastic silencer... dont know what to tell you. I guess just grab a couple of beers, a stool and stare at it for a while....:) |
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